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Wednesday, September 06, 2006

challah and wine

I had another question about the two table system. What do people do with challah and wine? At first we thought it would be nice to put bottles of wine on each table along with two covered unwrapped challahs. But that puts people who don't want to use unhechshered wine for kiddush or unhechshered challah for hamotzie in an uncomfortable situation of having to go to another table for these preliminary rituals-- or worse it steers people towards sitting at a table with the wine/challah of their preference, such that people who prefer hechshers will cluster together, and people who prefer not hechshers will cluster together. Then we thought that we would put each wine bottle on the proper table and ask everyone to fill their cup (at whatever table they prefer) before we start. With challah we thought that we would leave the wrappers under each challah-- so that they will be identifiable-- and make sure to have two hechshered whole bread things (which can include pita or whatever) at each table. This solution has so far been workable but clunky. Does anyone have any other suggestions?


At 4:52 PM, September 06, 2006, Blogger BZ said...

At Kol Zimrah we do a single communal kiddush and motzi (rather than by table) and use hechshered grape juice and challah. (The communal kiddush/motzi wasn't something we came up with as a "pluralistic solution" - it's just what we've always done, in part so that people who were at services and aren't staying for dinner can still stay for kiddush and/or motzi without committing to a table.) If someone brings non-hechshered stuff, it can go on Table 1, but isn't passed around with the communal kiddush. But our potlucks are probably smaller than yours. Also, this is the Upper West Side, so I wouldn't even know where to find non-hechshered challah if I wanted to. :)

(Some of the TLS people are going to have interesting things to say about hechshered wine and pluralism.)

At 3:28 PM, September 14, 2006, Blogger ZT said...

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At 3:34 PM, September 14, 2006, Blogger ZT said...

It is an interesting challeng, SaraChaya, thanks for bringing the question up for us all to discuss.

To the best of my knowledge there aren't folks who object, on principle, to eating hechshered challot rather than unhechered challot. On the other hand many people will only eat hechshered challot, so coming up with an approach is fairly easy.

wine is more difficult as there are comofort and idological arguments for both hechshered wine and against it. For more info check out this post over at my blog.

At 7:12 AM, September 27, 2006, Anonymous Anonymous said...

BZ - I've had my share of unhecshered challah on the UWS accidentally. I was at meals where it was served by the host and my friend who brought me along didn't want to be rude, and so didn't tell me. (He knew its status when the host mentioned the bakery it was from, which was meaningless to Southern me.) Which I truly appreciate, I'm just sayin'....


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